ALL PLAIN DESCENDANTS
So this all started with Jens Pedersen (Ørsted), the son of Frederik Sigfred. He was born in 1832. His father, at the time of his birth, was an officer in the King's Life Guard. The soldiers there were known by their birthplace, while those of the regular army were known by number, so maybe the addition of Ørsted is an allusion to this!
1) I have shown him, with all his children, at: JP(Ø)
2) For all these children I have detailed files for their offspring. These are only in Danish, though! They are given below.
Interesting is the high proportion of twins in the descendants, some identical, as my wife; these are indicated by the red color in the diagram.
The twins occur throughout the whole family, only Anine (the Andersen family) does not have them, yet! Whether these early ones were identical will most likely stay hidden. For the present ones my information is not complete; when not known twins of the same sex will be considered identical.
Here is one more instant where the descendants of Jens Pedersen Ørsted differ from those Karen had with Peder Hansen! There are no twins in their families! Was there a gene from Frederik Sigfred, absent in Peder Hansen, that allowed the gene from Karen Jørgensdatter for twins to express itself? Or was it a gene from Peder Hansen that stopped it? That is something that the experts maybe know something about. Another clue for the truth of the family tale?
My wife was one of these identical twins. (They should be warned, take out insurance!)
I have to redraw the diagram, another case is in the making! I will wait with publishing until I can put names on them. (done)
For mine Danske gæster er Jens' børn, og deres efterkommere, der også på Dansk i en tekst fil, se under;
2) Jørgine Karoline my line.
4) Anine
6) Hansine
7) Søren
A small file was added, giving the relation to the Rantzau's, for my branch of the family.
Then I added a very long file giving all , not only the descendants of Jens Pedersen (Ørsted), but also of his half-brothers.
I have now added the descendants of both my Danish wife's and my own ancestors, starting from those born around 1800, see:
Rasmussen. both in Danish
For the Dutch files I have only descendants in the male line, yet. I plan to add the female lines, though.
Van der Plas,, and
Offerman, both in Dutch
Some remarks:
Originally, I archived the Danish branches as Larsen and Nielsen, their present family names. However, as those from around 1800 had those other surnames, it seemed more appropriate to use these. There is even a Mogensen branch now!
The Mogensen line started from blacksmiths in the small village of Mosegaard, near Nørre Åby on the island of Funen.
By way of Lars Nielsen, an older son, my wife ended up with the surname Larsen.
One of my wife's uncles wrote his life's history and mentioned a blacksmith in Strib, where the ferry from the mainland of Jutland landed. "He was, most likely, family".
Niels Mogensen's youngest son had another last name than the rest of the family; while the change from patronymes to family names first started two generations later, he kept his father's last name. Only once, during a census, he was registered as "Nielsen".
With the help of the local archive at Strib I found that Mogensen blacksmith and his descendants.
For some time I was employed at the Odense Steel Shipyard. While there, one night we dined with an old lady. That is more than 40 years since now. I remember a house full of paintings, and her name, Elna. As I understood, those paintings were to go to the local museum.
Now the local art museum houses the J. W. Larsen collection, I bought the catalogue and his wife was mentioned as Karen Larsen. Last year I was down to the last unidentified member of the family. Again according to that uncle, though he was a chartered windmill builder, he worked, in Odense, as a waiter. Finally I found him (Odense is a big city). After he died, a Karen Elna Kirstine Larsen was named in the estate proceedings as the sole heiress! And she was living at the same address as J. W. Larsen!
As I had been asking around for 10 years already, and nobody in the family knew anything about "Elna", I had given up. But it is nice when your recollections finally are proven to be true!
I also have these descendants, with their ancestors, as Adobe diagrams;
Rasmussen and
Because of the length these are spread over more pages. You will have to enlarge them to read the names.
There are also other "plain decendants" in all parts of the world.
Some are regular decendants of Rantzau girls who married "commoners".
Others are illegitimate decendants of (a lot of) Rantzau's everywhere, for example the (half)sisters of the wellknown Danish "wisesanger" W. Rantzau.
I include one of the former, in Ceylon, see Greve